End of the line for the premier free online Greek NT
It is with a heavy heart that I have just deleted Zhubert.com, later known as the “Resurgence Greek Project” from the Greek New Testament page. I had described this as the “premier on-line electronic Greek New Testament” but sadly its author has decided to discontinue the site because “the MorphGNT team has had to pull their text offline at the request of the German Bible Society”. For those looking for free internet resources on the Greek NT, you can see several still available on the Greek New Testament Texts page here but none is anything like as good as the one provided at Zhubert. Further comment at Biblical Studies and Technological Tools by MGVH, Zhubert = ReGreek Goes Offline.
This is most unfortunate; zhubert.com served me well.
This is indeed sad news; Zhurbert has been an enormous help. It will be sorely missed.
This is really frustrating. This is the second tool I have used to be negatively affected by the German Bible Society. First, no NA27 apparatus in BWorks, and now no zhubert. Zhubert is what I used when BWorks wasn’t handy. Oh well. *Sigh*
Mark,
I looked over at the Greek NT Texts page and didn’t see a link to the German Bible Society’s online texts. Please forgive me if I missed it. I recently noticed that they put the NA27, LXX, BHS, and Vulgate texts online: German Bible Society (Deutschen Bibelgesellschaft). This will make up some of the lost benefit from Zhubert, but not the handy translation helps he had.
Ben
It’s been a tough transition, personally. But I’m thankful that it was a valuable resource for you all over the last couple of years.
I think the German Bible Society needs to change its name . . . any “Bible Society” trying to limit access to the text of the Bible has lost sight of its mission.
I’m still ticked off because I used it every day.
Some people are working on “taking up the mantle” of Zhubert: http://openscriptures.org/
Included is a prototype manuscript comparator, which takes freely-licensed texts (e.g. WH v. TR) and puts them in parallel or inline comparison. It’s sort of a poor-man’s eclectic edition. There is also an active mailing list associated with the project.
Well, that tells me just one thing: the German Bible Society is more of a business than a ministry. Okay, two things: it also tells me to download all the online GNT resources I can find before others also feel like owners of the text.
Perhaps I can fill in a small part of the void left by Zhubert’s departure. You are welcome to post links to the Greek Uncial Archetype of Mark, which I welcome visitors to copy, use, and distribute. It is currently available at
http://www.textexcavation.com/marcanarchetypescans.html
Yours in Christ,
James Snapp, Jr.
Why is everyone taking this lying down? All I can see online is people talking of surrender. The German Bible Society contributed nothing to this effort; they merely want to seize control.
I don’t see how MorphGNT can possibly be copyright, since its contents are either the work of CCAT or Jim Tauber, or else of Matthew, Mark etc, dead for two millennia. Unless, that is, the German Bible Society does not claim that the text is indeed authorial, but is their own “creative work”. If so, some kind of action for passing off inferior goods might be possible.
Has anyone sought a legal opinion in the US on this absurd claim? Is there any case law, whatever, in favour of the Boche?
What is needed, surely, is for someone to take this to a US court and obtain an order voiding the claim of copyright. I think this is a try-on.
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I’m sure that the GBS is claiming that this is their own creative work. They have put a lot of time and effort into deciding which variants to place in their text and want to monetise that to further their efforts (if nothing else). Ultimately, it means that they violate their own goal which is to achieve the “autographs,” which if successful would mean that they can no longer claim copyright. However, I think it doubtful that anyone would recognise the autographs even if they bit them in the foot so the GBS will always be able to make more money off selling the NA and UBS volumes. If someone wants to go to all the work of creating a new GNT and put it in the public domain they are free to do so but I doubt it would be widely adopted because it would not be NA27. And that fact is how the GBS can claim copyright.
A German Bible Society statement on the copyright situation for the Greek New Testament can be found at http://www.dbg.de/en/meta/service/rechte.html
i am looking for the bible text in greek which is out of copyright. Would anyone tell me which version is out of copyright in greek?
thank you
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this is what i was searching, thanks for sharing.